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Post by Detonate95 on Thu Apr 15, 2010 6:00 am


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Post by the SS on Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:04 am

I was there when the formal announcement was made. There had been strong rumors going around and the Ninth Infantry and 82nd had just left so it was no surprise. It was good news but bad for morale. Nobody wanted to be that last unlucky sucker to be killed. We all knew that once we left the ARVNs were not going to be able to hold on to the place so all of those American lives that were lost were for not.
On this date in 1968 I joined the US Army to begin a career that lasted twenty and one half months. I was at work when I received a call from the recruiter informing me that there had been a training change for the FIXED WING pilot training program and I had to leave immediately. I left work at 4:30 and caught a train to Chicago at 6:00 pm. I later found out that the Army had discontinued that program and I found myself in the infantry.
Hey Detonate, I was just in your neighborhood down in Denver at a business meeting. I didn't have much free time but I did take in a Rockies game on Sunday. That's a nice stadium.

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Post by Pconlon on Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:14 am

***** Anybody know more or less the pace of the departure(??) Like how many Americans left in Lai Khe by mid 1970 or in Phuoc Vinh. The reason I ask is that 3 MIA's from 1st Signal disappeared on afternoon in late June near the turn off from the Ben Cat road north of Chanh Lu. I was just rereading the details yesterday.

**** A new SFC leading a small crew dismantling equipment at Laikhe (first time up from DiAn) disregarded warnings about an immediate run to Phuoc Vinh unconvoyed. They got captured after a short Firefight. Few details afterwards. A MACV team found the truck and a dead VC a few hours later.

*****Apparently this small team from DiAn had no radio (???) The SFC was later classified as deceased but the other two vanished into Cambodia.

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Post by Chris_Bowman on Thu Apr 15, 2010 11:39 am

We all knew that once we left the ARVNs were not going to be able to hold on to the place so all of those American lives that were lost were for not.
I'm not a big stickler, but I think you may have meant for 'naught'. Not, nothing, nadda, naught.....whatever, your meaning is well recieved. The lives lost were partially without justification and a great tragedy. I often think how we did a righteous job, with what we had available, and how we could have had a much quicker and most certainly better outcome.....IF...we had been properly supported and ALLOWED to do it. Chess games should be played on a board, not with live troops in harms way. It was our axles that should have been greased, not their palms. It was our bellies that should have been fed, not their bank accounts. It was our lives and families that suffered, not theirs. Mad

I was at work when I received a call from the recruiter informing me that there had been a training change for the FIXED WING pilot training program and I had to leave immediately. I left work at 4:30 and caught a train to Chicago at 6:00 pm. I later found out that the Army had discontinued that program and I found myself in the infantry.
Any big surprise there? I think some of their half-hearted promises were learned from the politicians who commanded our loyal labors. The check is in the mail.....yeah, right! Rolling Eyes

Sorry for the rant, I'm just not having the best of days.

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Post by obenow on Thu Apr 15, 2010 1:36 pm

Bo, you seem to think we were supposed to win. I feel if you look closely, we were never designed to win. We were a show case for America and the defending the "Lil guy". It then wore thin and we were dismissed. Never were we supposed to win.

Ken, every 4th guy in my draft class ended up being a Marine. Consider your self lucky!
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Post by the SS on Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:22 pm

Pete, I left in December and up until that time nothing was happening. I heard that the Headquarters and some key admin elements left in April but those who still had a fair amount of time until deros and a 'clean up" crew trickled out or went to other units over the next few months.
Thanks for cleaning up my grammar, Chris. my brain is pretty tired from my Denver trip.

Obe, I was actually drafted in mid January but I had an accident at work and broke my leg in several places so when I reported for induction I had a cast on. While I was sitting waiting for a determination on my situation I saw them put all of the inductees in the hall and had them count off by threes. They sent the ones and twos into one room and the threes into another room. Then several Navy SP's moved up and blocked the door where upon a Marine gunny stepped into the room and informed everyone that they were about to become Marines. Yes, there was a great deal of crying and wailing. I got a six month extension and was very relieved that I was not a "three". Rolling Eyes

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Post by Pconlon on Thu Apr 15, 2010 2:32 pm

***** Cambodian Invasion in May 1970 took place with 25th Div. 1st Cav and some 11th Armd.Cav. My understanding was that the BRO was winding down then - however there was an initial push up 13 past Loc Ninh up to Snoul in Cambodia. Also a lot of the captured Enemy ordinance and weapons were put on display in that large bldg in DiAn just NE of the crossroads. Several US Senators attended.

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Post by obenow on Fri Apr 16, 2010 8:35 am

Never acknowledged but I will swear we were in Cambodia from Loc Nihn to seperate times. That would have been Aug of 68 and Sept of 68.
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Post by Chris_Bowman on Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:46 am

We were told that we were NOT going into Cambodia in late '67, regardless of what my maps indicated. Also told not to take any mail or other identifying materials with us. Oh, yeah, we were told that we would have no support (arty or air strikes), NW of Tay Ninh, so we better not get in deep doodie before our return. While in Walter Reed, about mid '68, we all got a chuckle when it was revealed on the news that a FEW troops had crossed the border in recent weeks.

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Post by the SS on Fri Apr 16, 2010 12:09 pm

Cambodia? - been there, done that. They had us hold up on a hilltop about two clicks back away from a B-52 strike and then go try to sweep the area. It was bad enough to make you feel sorry for the gooks. Shocked

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Post by saint on Fri Apr 16, 2010 4:47 pm

In 1969 I use to fly to Camboria in a U-21 in civilian clothes to take civilians from the pentagon and other agencies. I was the one that communicate with the tower at the airport because some of the people there did not spoke english- either Portuguese, Cambodian or vietnamese. Every time we flew in we got an escort of mig - 21 from the Cambodian air force. Now get this we were on a secret mission with an airplane with a big sign that say US ARMY on it side. We were not allowed to be outside the Hotel at any time, that was in the city of Phom-Pen.

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Post by mogunone on Mon Apr 19, 2010 8:27 pm

obenow wrote:Never acknowledged but I will swear we were in Cambodia from Loc Nihn to seperate times. That would have been Aug of 68 and Sept of 68.

Yup, Obe, me too. Same time, same place. I know how to read a map. Top of my class in the NCO Academy at Land Navigation. I know which little stream we crossed that meant we weren't in Kansas anymore, Toto. Also, knew we were "on our own". Wasn't happy about that but it was just one of hundreds of things on a list that I wasn't happy about at the time. Oh well, water under the bridge. We're blessed to be able to reminisce about it, aren't we? Lotta' guys can't.
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